The Relaunch Litverse books for DS9 are uneven in my reading experience as compared to the TNG and the Voyager books once Beyer took over. The future doesnt have a preferred accent. Discovery may have just said goodbye to one of its crew, but don't worry: She'll be back. It means something to me. If you read what Mary and Sonequa are saying, they arent promoting any particular body style or fitness choice, just that they are as they are and only they have the right to choose how that should be. Have to completely agree you T2. It included a lot of the old characters too like Chakotay, BElanna, Tuvok with a lot of new characters. So I was also just very excited for the fans. She brings so much heart to the show. I dont believe any of the other series had a therapist on the bridge. I would not say it isnt a valid creative decision to try this approach, especially in an age where we are emphasizing the need for self-care, its just not to my taste. Its 2020 and were taking any more of your sh!t. We need to examine our highest ideals and allegiances to reveal our preconceived notions, shallow knee-jerk reactions, and find the truth about our choices. In fact this is Discoverys success is showing human emotion as another frontier to cross because it is in fact the major component in value choices and decisions that are an unrecognized part of strategic and political decisions as per our many current political divides in US. Yes, she was a therapist that say patients in her office but her betazoid abilities aided Picard. Shes a little overweighed, so what? The moment they decided to incorporate a new character with basically the same characteristics (a young, socially awkward, but very smart ensign) they ruined Tilly. Promoting her to the first officer was stupid enough, but now shes leading at the Academy? I would prefer to finish the rest of Prodigy first season instead. Its odd that the bridge crew still feels in the background although they are being used more. We love that someone who isnt super fit was cast, especially that its a woman. I would encourage her to do the same. David, has Michael becoming captain changed Books relationship with her? Shes responsible for her subordinates and to lead by example. Just IMHO, because to each his (or her, or their) own! The 60s/70s are gone. Theres a little Harley Quinn. And I just let the writers take me on a journey. My only issue with Captain Killy is that she died that wonderful red hair blonde. The Terra Firma arc introduced the real Mirror Universe version of Tilly (aka Captain Killy). But one could argue a ship full of Barclays is not the most convincing portrait of humanity. Sonequa Martin-Green as Burnham hugging Mary Wiseman as Tilly in Coming Home. I dont love her the way I love Saru or Pike, or Janeway or Seven or Picard or Spock. All are different. The show had its official opening on Monday, March 21st, and is currently set to run through April 24. This is a part of the reason people cant take to them, alongside their poorly written characters. Yeah, self absorbed is an excellent way to describe her character, Id never thought of it that way. If there had been a believable logical progression from Cadet Tilly in season 1 to Starfleet Academy instructor in season 4, where they had built up the character to where she shed bits and pieces of the awkwardness as she became more confident in her abilities. In fact now I think of it, Book aside everyone has an American accent. CBS/Paramount+ For Wiseman's Tilly, the danger and near-loss of all the cadets, including Adira (Blu del Barrio) forces her. Just take a little trip down the hellhole that is a tabloids message boards and youll see the kind of body shaming of male and female actors and celebrities that exists out there. I always felt that I wanted hips and a butt. I know a thing or two about haters-pay no mind. Hopefully next season they will be given more development. We have no information that Beyer consults in this show. This week's episode raised concerns. Can Picard go round the sun once more and rescue Saru from Discovery? It would make sense if you knew the story ;) Lets just say Jake did write his famous book a couple of years after the end of DS9, but in the years and decades ahead he went on to much bigger things and took his career and his life in a very different direction. Of course my original statement still stands regarding Tilly becoming Sarus Number One. I have only heard of the details a few months ago thanks to a video that TrekCentral (amazing YouTube channel) made about it for Prodigy theorizing a connection. Learning? Jury still out on Books character.definitely ahead of the 2 dimensional bridge crew though. PS. It just happened. To be honest I think she is more attractive than the mostly skinny cast of most series. Just mentioning few of their values. It is incredibly bad and is a publicly dangerous message to be sending. She's interviewed several Star Trek . Everybody loves ., meant literally, is never true. In general, the Litverse kicks off with the TNG A Time to series that fills in events between the movies Insurrection and Nemesis. Her character Tilly is not my favorite on the show but body shaming is a shameful act by itself. Wiseman possess voluptuous hourglass shaped figure. Shes a product of poor writing, constantly ditzy and trying to be the light relief to the point where its eye rolling. She served aboard the USS Discovery while still a cadet in 2256, later commissioned as an ensign . Not everyone is going to agree with you in life but to accuse others of sullying the memories of people they didnt know existed until you replied to their posts may provoke far more negative responses. Personally I would put Barclay and Trois Mom in that group too, but not sure recurring characters belong with regulars in this race. I for one have always had to watch my weight and I still wage the battle to this day. ;). And I belong., After reading the Forbes article, Wiseman got some backup from someone who knows what its like to be a woman in the captains chair: Kate Mulgrew, who thinks Mary is killing it on Discovery and should pay the haters no mind., I saw the @Forbes article on Mary Wiseman @may_wise clearly killing it onscreen & off in #StarTrekDiscovery. Although criticism of a performance is valid (Burnhams whispering, over emoting etc.) Martin-Green says she has come to accept changes in her body, especially after the birth of her second child shortly before production on season three: With my first pregnancy I bounced back without trying (which is a crime, by the way, that we expect women to do that after birth rather than focus on healing). I will have to go check it out. I think people need that kind of thing to heal. IMHO, if she usually eats well, trains and commits to staying healthy, then life can be a lot of fun leading an active adventurous life while still enjoying food and fine dining and it is irrelevant what people say about her looks. Mary Wiseman and David Ajala with their co-stars Wilson Cruz, Sonequa Martin-Green, Blu del Barrio, and Anthony Rapp at NYCC 2021, (Trailer also available for international viewers onInstagramandstartrek.com). She isnt back on Discovery. Michelle Yeoh, considerably smaller in physical stature, probably weighs around 90# [because she is allll muscle]. It is constantly exposing the never ending struggle of smart and talented woman of color. I cant stand any sentence (especially related to DSC) which starts off with Everybody loves Its never true. Age is affecting my memory haha. That finale appearance was basically a cameo. The problem is, very deep into his 80s, and theres still chatter about him playing the action hero. Speaking to Glamour UK, Sonequa Martin-Green revealed that she has dealt with body image issues too: Back in the mid-to-late eighties, early nineties, everything I saw, with hip hop, was all curvy, curvy, big butt, she recalls. Shes a geeky, nerdy character, so wonderfully over the top, like so many of us in the fandom. That will be the one I read first! This was her character and then had perhaps one or two incidents where she became a little more focused and then off screen came back a different person. As an actress and a person I dont mind her at all, shes lovely. Ill never forget when I, a woman of 160# at 58, healthy, deemed fit by military and bodyfat percentage indexes, approached the Credit Union one day, when the guy at the ATM finished his transaction, turned, saw me, and yelled Hey, fatass!. It was the fall of 2017 and my non-Trekkie wife, Lisa, had begrudgingly agreed to watch Star Trek: Discovery with me, having heard me talk nonstop about how excited I was for Trek's return to TV.We were on the third episode, "Context is for Kings," when she appeared. She wrote ten books based around this concept and still writing them. Most of what she did was convey the amazingly obvious like offering such useful insights such as, Hes concealing something but I dont know what. And her abilities were never fully defined. I would imagine those who liked Barclay probably include a large portion of those who like Tilly. Shes not going anywhere. Events in David Macks two books towards the end of that series ( A Time to Kill and A Time to Heal) have a profound impact throughout the rest of the Litverse. Before we move on to SuKal this Thursday, there are still some bits to catch up on from the Terra Firma arc of Star Trek: Discovery. I dont see a repeated notion that DISCO saved Trek by heavily incorporating emotion into their characters. Between 2011 through 2015, she attended Juilliard School's Drama Division, where one of her students was future Star Trek: Discovery actress Mary Chieffo. The actress also discussed how Killy inspires some fans: Killy is somebody whos very important to a lot of fans, especially my curvy women out there who like to see another full-figured, fat, curvy, chunky woman get to feel powerful and use that size to command authority, said Wiseman. Proceed accordingly. She is relatable and human and wonderful. Troi made explicit the evil intent lies we tell each other and ourselves to gain selfish material and political advantage. Im not counting on it. As someone with severe and sometimes crippling anxiety whos managed to have a pretty successful high-pressure career, I question your assertion that she never would have graduated Starfleet., You clearly never served in a military environment. American actress Mary Wiseman payed several smaller roles in the past but recently gained a big recognition as Cadet Sylvia Tilly in new iteration of Star Trek franchise called Star trek: Discovery. Any accent would be acceptable for a time that hasnt happened yet. 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Wait I havent watched season 4, nor will I ever after the stupidity that was season 3 But now shes a leader at the academy?! Most actresses on TV, if theyre 58 probably weigh 120# or less. I can see myself having a few bottles of synthehol with him. Jerks. Like maybe he would be way too codependent or something? I would expect more from the Star Trek crowd, which is usually quite enlightened. She let go in S4 of her parents expectations and embraced a new purpose. Mary Wiseman (born July 30, 1985) is an American actress. You are correct, it comes down to the same thing, poor plot development. lol ;). I also know hes basically your favorite Trek author. There are a number of places you can receive professional help and I strongly recommend you seek that help. The Tilly we saw as Earth, check that United (eyeroll) Earth was being evacuated is NOT the same Tilly we saw for the previous 40+ episodes. Although it is true that on *average*, overweight people are less healthy than other people, it is also entirely possible to be overweight and healthy. But dont those characteristics fit better on a younger character, while the older one grows up and changes? Sincerely, obesity is defined in terms of the proportion of body fat associated higher risk of illness. Did Tilly on Discovery gain weight? To even suggest that is stupidity writ large. In the latest Star Trek: Discovery episode, Sylvia Tilly ( Mary Wiseman) was tasked with . Star Trek: Discovery's Mary Wiseman and Blu del Barrio reflect on their character's journeys and the possibilities ahead. We want people to get their facts from reliable health sources, not celebrities, so saying actors should be sending some sort of fitness message is just backwards. Its could have (or couldve). As far as science fiction most Trek shows have normal looking ppl. I assume my feelings towards them are what Wesley-haters endure. So when very capable people feel un-capable, crazy things happen. In every real-life Trekkie community Im a part of, as well as most online, shes loved. Thats not good writing, its oandering fan fiction, Starfleet is not military. Season four of Star Trek: Discovery arrives on Thursday, November 18 on Paramount+. Cant believe people are so rude as to insult anyone because they dont look the way they expect. Plus, TNG literally had a therapist as part of the bridge crew. :). (Hey, Im likely one of the oldest people here, and its too easy/lazy to remain stuck in the 1960s and 70s! Although there are speculations of Mary Wiseman's pregnancy, she is not. My personal opinion is, if you see ribs in their low decolletage, they are probably not so healthy. She only graduated from SA herself at the end of season 1. She opted that she had a different calling within the world of teaching and, in the end, she decided that she wanted to chase that feeling. Whereas Tilly is an oh shes just like me and validates all my insecurities so its ok to be as I am. And Id add she has a hero complex too always wants to save the day/galaxy/whathaveyou. Jealous and insecure,they can only feel better by putting others down. Tillys a fantastic character. Not holding my breath hes given the job though, especially since we know Saru is coming back. Weight Gain Explained Rumors are going on that Mary Wiseman is pregnant and she has gained weight. Because Book is someone who doesnt just have cerebral, intellectual intelligence. I understand the actress is very well-respected and a nice person, but I couldnt stand the Tilly character myself. But the characters are pitch perfect. DSC had many issues at the beginning. First of all, because theres more options for cosplay now, because she changed her hair. What do you mean? But how the women look?! should take a pear of pruning shears and cut off that little pecker of yours (its what Killy would do). 108 comments so far. It just came to me and wanted your opinion. Where I live people compete on the merits. That said, I know people can be cruel and I am even worried bringing up this topic for fear of the idiot fringe piling on, but I hope Mary Wiseman is okay or has a good reason for her weight gain since S1. I think criticism of the actors is wrong as well, its not about the actors its what they have been told deliver. (But then she has always reminded me, her looks and bubbliness, of my cousin who just so happens to be a wonderful teacher. So smart in the Starfleet tradition. It would definitely be great if Rhys was promoted to first officer. That one ship generates more energy than present-day Earths entire human energy expenditure, generates its own artificial gravity, and violates causality routinely. Smart doesnt mean competent. The writing for him is trying in season 1, but from Samaritan Snare onwards I actually think hes kinda endearing and has decent utility. No, from Starfleets POV its 3 years. Wasnt it Saru who made Tilly the First Officer? Just more pandering. Now if it turns out, Burnham was being influenced by an alien entity or she has been given insight into the future which made it imperative that she rush Tilly into becoming the Number One, then I can accept it. I just dont remember if it was something I read years ago or if it was in an interview with Gene. Not liking a character doesnt make a person a troll, so Im not even sure what that nonsensical comment was supposed to mean. In this week's episode of Star Trek: Discovery season four, we saw Tilly leaving her crew and heading to the academy in order to foster young minds. I think the ship can handle a little chonk. Be sure to watch Mary Wiseman "Killying it" as Ensign Sylvia Tilly on Star Trek: Discovery. What do you think it looks like? Also the writers, Erika Lipoldt and Bo Yeon Kim. That is why you never saw councelors on any other class ship. However, if we got to see Tilly gradually improve herself. Theyve written Tilly as just the straight oh theres Tilly for the jokes. That could explain the weight gain. I like the way you think! Which I think would be a tremendous mistake. Im relieved to say I have no idea how that feels, and its something I cant even stomach thinking about, frankly. Not sure what the formal CBS/Paramount process is for publishing that kind of stuff, but the story was so detailed that I genuinely wanted to begin looking into it. She doesnt inspire confidence. How is she supposed to sound considering nobody knows what people in the 23rd century will talk like? At New York Comic Con, TrekMovie participated in some group interviews with members of the cast and crew,. I KNOW, people say they are great, I was too focused on Star Trek when those were airing, but I might try and give the original show a shot one day. Why is that a command level position? Obesity and overweight are associated with health chronic issues by definition. Well, its certainly a good thing that Tilly is a fictional character, and neither she nor the woman who plays her (Wiseman) is in todays real-world Navy.. David Ajala: I would be very dangerous. | March 22, 2022 | Its gotten very stale now. It took this for me to finally accept who I am. Correct me if I am wrong, but did she not have to take a command course at some point? Thats a refreshing thing for Berman Era Star Trek, when characters tend to be more reserved and the dialogue is highly stylized and precise. Look at the progression of Nog on DS9 from Quarks juvenile-delinquent nephew in season 1 to Starfleet Ensign in the Dominion War on how writers can make you believe in a characters growth and progression. I do find their quirks annoying at times, but the most important reason I like them is because theyre honest, kind people with a good heart. I agree, the writing, character development, and story telling needs to improve. And it could fit nicely with Chakotays story on the show and that hes also in the DQ for the mission and now has to find the ship. David Ajala: What about Grudge in the mirror universe? Theyre losers, pure and simple. Barclay was funny and silly but relatable due to his social anxiety. Why wouldnt someone want to be more like that? That way she wont get the appearance she does now of jumping over more experienced officers and seeming to just get ahead because shes Sarus favorite. Mary Wiseman: I wish there maybe in the future theres room for some protective best friend/boyfriend energy. So it has been hard, and its really hard to avoid, because it pops up on all the [social media] accounts, or people comment on my posts with cruel, unscientific comments. One reason why I think people gravitated towards Trip the most on Enterprise was that the combination of writing and performances created one of the most believable humans in Star Trek this side of Dr. McCoy and Chief OBrien. advantage. I saw someone just last month asking on a Facebook fanpage if Starfleet had some kind of physical fitness standard and if so, shes violating it, ect.the same old idiotic abusive misogyny disguised as genuine concern. Plus, TNG literally had a therapist as part of the bridge crew. Episodes will be. The Berman era had specific ideas about things like accents and music that kind of locked it into something fairly homogeneous. The ships shrink should not be a Command level position and in fact would make sense to be on the CMOs staff. each series has traditionally had someone that acts as a way to explore the inner humanityie spock, data, odo, doc/seven. (OMG, weve gone way off topic lol. No character like her would ever have graduated Starfleet. [laughs] Everybody loves Tilly. There have been moments where they tried to do that, but like everything else on Discovery where self-doubt and emotional scenes of worry in darkly-lit rooms need to be front and center, they always seemed to bring Tilly back to spazzing out because she was nervous about whether she can do it before being put on a mission. At New York Comic Con, TrekMovie participated in some group interviews with members of the cast and crew, one of which was with the pair-up of Mary Wiseman (Tilly) and David Ajala (Book). Like a lot of people, she pivoted and found herself in a new role as teacher. Tilly is Trekdom. https://t.co/zV56ClHoUZ, Kate Mulgrew (@TheKateMulgrew) December 18, 2020. The show will roll out on Paramount Plus in the US, and is expected to stream on Netflix elsewhere. It always cracks me up when people say that they hate Tilly. I never thought of Adira as being all that similar, but I see your point. Every character aboard that ship represents a minority. Fans need to stop being rude and act like gentlemen for once. Waste of talent. It doesnt look like unhealthy curvy but just different type of genes. Those b@stards, however, totally killed Landry )Cuddles with @actordougjones and @davbentom These men are nothing short of hereoic in prosthetics all day e'reday. Ive learned a lot of bad spelling comes from dictating into your smartphone. Wiseman was appreciative of fans who had her back online: I just want to say that all the people who step in, to back me up like that, your presence is like little angels, like blocking out these little trolls. Since season one, Tilly (Mary Wiseman). I notice that for whatever reason certain words will trigger the language to switch to French on my phone, and then I have to go back and correct everything. Ridiculous or not, it has been well established in Trek canon that starships have counselors/therapists, and they are often used by the crew. It makes sense there would be and that they be a part of the medical team. Bad, character pandering types of writing, with over-emotional children in the roles of astronaut-scientist-soldiers. She gets up in the morning and lives with a purpose, helping her crewmates, and ready to make the ultimate sacrifice if necessary. And if youre able to use that against someone, that could be very, very dangerous. And it was mentioned in one of the episodes of the first season, I dont remember whichwould have to research, that councilors on Galaxy class ships due to the fact that families were on the ship and it was meant for longer than 5 year missions. Shes magnetic. And Books starshipthink of it as Star Treks answer to the Astro Megaship from Power Rangers in Space. Having Tilly be one was justdumb. There is a great scene back in S1 when Tilly and Burnham are doing cardio training and post workout are eating their protien, carbs and fat nutrition, something that the body requires after a hard cardio workout. The entire point of Tillys character is that shes a Starfleet officer that doesnt have to be a supermodel like so many Trek characters before: Troi, Seven, TPol, Jadzia perfect golden cut supermodels. #StarTrekDiscovery #MirrorLandry pic.twitter.com/Ed0nbToiQH, Rekha the leaves (@TheRekhaSharma) December 19, 2020. Some folks here like this nu trek because it lowered standards to make them feel better about themselves. Such use is more overt in DISCO, but it is by no means out of the ordinary. Yes, The Expanse. Im sorry if the idea of someone not like Discovery upsets you, but its unreasonable to expect people to change their minds for that reason. BTW, I know this is waaaaaay off topic, but since you are the literary Trek lover on this site and keep up with a lot of the books, do you think Prodigy is going to use some of Kirsten Beyers Full Circle Voyager story lines? If we dont have tolerance and respect, how are we able to learn and improve humanity!? No one can argue that Shatner is anything less than fit at whatever age. Right? | December 23, 2020 | I actually had an entire epic story mapped out that I was seriously considering turning into a series of novels. Shes one of the shows most divisive characters. Jake is about 45-50 and one of the two lead characters. TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp. or the Star Trek franchise. In fact most of their fears and phobias were explored in various episodes. Im glad you figured out what works for you, but Im not cool with a Star Trek board in 2021 focusing on an actors weight or appearance, especially when its a man commenting on a womans weight. Everyone has their gifts. I dont understand this at all. Let it die. Background information. That could be it. Neither were annoying. Hopefully its . I thought her arc was going to end with her being booted from the service for repeatedly failing physical fitness tests? However, in the same interview she also talked about how some fans have not been so supportive in season three: I noticed theres definitely been an uptick in body-shaming towards me and Tilly this season, which was harrowing because Im a person, I have a history and bullying is totally a part of that. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. They should have tried to make Tilly more credible first. And its funny that you bring up needing constant therapy as a bad thing when a ton of real life people see a therapist on a regular basis. Shes loved. By existing? Story: With . My lady, you are so fine that I want to have your baby. I gave this dumpster fire of far left propaganda 4 seasons. Understanding? Tilly is part Wesley Crusher and part Barclay. Nice girl but still jostling with Burnham as the most annoying character on the show. I have this image in my head of the EPs saying to Mack that theyd like species that havent been main characters in other shows and asking him to give a list of options for a big and strong species, a species without a bianary gender etc. Do you see that tension? I just hope now that she has been made captain, all her baggage will be finally gone. Sad but true, yet we always opt to genuflect in the direction of the elephant.